Crowder & Morrell: Charismissional – What About The Poor?

Controversial Spirit-filled minister John Crowder & I talk about Spirit-filled believers & social justice in this followup to my Charismatic Chaos or (Holy) Spirited Deconstruction? post. Want to read it? Then go here to my new blog home at! Here you’ll be able to keep up with the latest. Please update your bookmarks & RSS feeds accordingly. Thank you!

6 Responses to “Crowder & Morrell: Charismissional – What About The Poor?”

  1. 1 Carrie Albright June 3, 2008 at 6:25 am

    Thank you men for your time, sharing your hearts and minds.
    I love praying with the poor or needy. 🙂 I’m not fooling anybody I just love praying period. It’s so addicting. The song Give it away give it away now comes to my mind like a theme song when I pray sometimes. God is so wierd. I just love him.
    Our church is a food bank and we get to minister to the people. They are so hungry(spirtualy and physicaly). Would you like to pray I ask. And almost always they say yes. So awsome.

  2. 2 Jason June 3, 2008 at 7:15 am

    Mike, this is the best question you’ve posed yet. It’s a both-and scenario. “Faith without works is dead” kind of approach to understanding ministry.

    I guess I just have a fundamental difference with what it means to be filled up. Ultimately, the kind of charismaniac experience is so out of touch with most people that it turns people away from the Gospel, no matter how attractive our social action is in the eyes of the world. Jesus got filled up to go do the works He saw His Father doing by spending time alone in devotion. That’s where I get filled up, too … not in a hyped up service where people become intoxicated with euphoria. I respect these guys for what they’re doing in reaching people, but it’s not for me.

  3. 3 Heather June 3, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    The person who tranced out on the couch and then donated 10,000 was obviously someone who lived in Europe, where they get a month or two of vacation to trance out on their couches and their 5000 pounds actually counts as 10,000 dollars 😉

    But that aside 🙂

    I totally agreed with pretty much every word Crowder put in this particular segment… even how he expressed it. Here here, John!

    The only thing that I think is left out of this discussion is the element of the nature of christian community – somewhere between the NonCharismatic and Charismatic divide remains to be discussed the issue of “church.” And even “mission.”

    In both camps, people do a lot to love God AND serve the poor. But I think there’s even something more powerful waiting to be seen when we start to walk in community as believers, not just community in the sense that “we are all contributing members of an organization” but community in the sense that we are rearranging our entire social structure to start to think like family, to think like community, and to start to move and act like those who have common life with one another. Getting back to your first post, Mike, about Holy Spirited deconstruction – somewhere in all this Glory and Beauty of God, the Bride needs to emerge from the confines of the charismatic “service” and start to look like a bride…. and hey, it happens in little glimpses…. but where will the deconstruction here take us? THAT excites me. Jesus is glorified in the healings and the doings, but how much MORE will He be glorified when it’s not the man on the podium bringing the glory in, but it’s entire groups of people moving and living the glory as One in their daily lives, tokin the ghost together outside the church walls and bringing in the lost outside the church walls? In other words, while I’m having a difficult time expressing it, there is something beyond a crazy (yet enjoyable) charismatic meeting, somewhere between loving Jesus and loving the poor, that is HUGE in the plan of God and His heart for His people, that has to do utterly with the whole deconstructing restructuring thing. And we aren’t there yet in anybody’s camp, but we’re headed there!

  4. 4 cathryn thomas June 3, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    “The person who tranced out on the couch and then donated 10,000 was obviously someone who lived in Europe, where they get a month or two of vacation to trance out on their couches and their 5000 pounds actually counts as 10,000 dollars”

    Heather you had me laughing here….. besides the fact that none of my UK friends can actually afford to do that… cuz their struggling musicians/artisans/or missional in their occupation/service.

    But perhaps the USA needs to look at the vacation policy a bit more closely… we might have more time … to put love in Action… both by soaking in Him AND…. reaching out!

    bless ya!

  1. 1 Charismatic Chaos or (Holy) Spirited Deconstruction? « zoecarnate Trackback on June 3, 2008 at 2:57 am
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