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		<title>Bart Ehrman &#38; NT Wright: The Smackdown</title>
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		<title>Dreams, They Complicate My Life</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Creativity and Spirituality: A Possible Future</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>HT: <a href="http://brianmclaren.net/" target="_blank">Brian</a> <a href="http://everythingmustchange.org/" target="_blank">McLaren</a></p>
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		<title>Read &#8216;The New Conspirators&#8217;!</title>
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Boy oh boy. I recently got The New Conspirators from IVP&#8217;s new Likewise imprint&#8211;this is like their New Friars, but even more comprehensive. It&#8217;s a who&#8217;s-who of todays New Monastic, 24/7 prayer, and other communal movements.
Some reviews/excerpts:
Emergent Village
Open Source Theology is doing a multi-part interview/review.
Part Zero
Part One
Part Two
Part Three
Part Four
I&#8217;m looking forward to reading this, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><a title="This promises to be good reading" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830833846/104-6334384-0954326?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zoecarnatecom-20" target="_blank"><img src="http://mustardseedjourney.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/newconspirators.jpg?w=202&amp;h=303&h=303" alt="The New Conspirators cover" width="202" height="303" align="left" /></a></p>
<p>Boy oh boy. I recently got <a href="http://www.ivpress.com/likewisebooks/book.php?code=3384" target="_blank">The New Conspirators</a> from IVP&#8217;s new Likewise imprint&#8211;this is like their <a href="http://www.ivpress.com/likewisebooks/book.php?code=3601" target="_blank">New Friars</a>, but even more comprehensive. It&#8217;s a who&#8217;s-who of todays New Monastic, 24/7 prayer, and other communal movements.</p>
<p>Some reviews/excerpts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/weblog/the-new-conspirators" target="_blank">Emergent Village</a></p>
<p>Open Source Theology is doing a multi-part interview/review.<br />
<a href="http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/1432" target="_blank">Part Zero</a><br />
<a href="http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/1435" target="_blank">Part One</a><br />
<a href="http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/1437" target="_blank">Part Two</a><br />
<a href="http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/1449" target="_blank">Part Three</a><br />
<a href="http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/1462" target="_blank">Part Four</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to reading this, hopefully with other dreamers, practitioners, and rabble-rousers. Three cheers for <a href="http://www.msainfo.org/" target="_blank">Tom</a> and <a href="http://godspace.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Christine</a> Sine, and their continuing work!</p>
<p>Related: Who&#8217;s going to the <a href="http://papafestival.org/" target="_blank">PAPA Festival</a> this summer?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/weblog/the-new-conspirators" target="_blank"></a></p>
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		<title>Maybe &#8216;Emergent&#8217; Is Not So Complicated</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sez early Emergent Village inspiration Brad Cecil:
&#8220;I hear comments like: Defining emergent is like “nailing Jell-O to the wall” and “postmodernism means a hundred different things”, I disagree - it isn’t all that hard to describe if you are listening and reading. Here are the simple basic ideas of what fueled the emergent conversation and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Sez early Emergent Village inspiration <a href="http://www.axxess.org/" target="_blank">Brad Cecil</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;I hear comments like: Defining emergent is like “nailing Jell-O to the wall” and “postmodernism means a hundred different things”, I disagree - it isn’t all that hard to describe if you are listening and reading. Here are the simple basic ideas of what fueled the emergent conversation and friendships:<br />
1. Post modern refers to the period after modernity. It appears to “us” that a significant epistemological shift is occurring - the likes of which we haven’t seen in 400 years.<br />
2. Language is limited<br />
3. Human concepts are limited<br />
4. There is no place of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">irreducible</span> certainty (foundation)<br />
5. Considering the above it would be very difficult to convey absolute meaning using language and human concepts<br />
6. Christian theology has become enslaved to the 1<sup>st</sup> order assumptions of modernity and is far more Cartesian than Christian and has become ashamed of faith<br />
7. A Reformation of recognition and repentance  is needed<br />
8. New theological thought is needed to free Christian theology from the enslavement of modernity and enlightenment assumptions and conversation and friendships would be more productive than developing imperatives.<br />
9. This is just the beginning of the transition and a great deal of work and theological thought lay ahead for those who desire to join the conversation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read more in <a href="http://www.axxess.org/?p=38" target="_blank">his review</a> of <em><a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/why-were-not-emergent-an-inviation-to-kevin-ted/" target="_blank">Why We&#8217;re Not Emergent</a>.</em> (By the way, I don&#8217;t see this as backing down in my <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/deeper-safer-richer-emergence-into-global-family/" target="_blank">vow to Wayne</a>, as I&#8217;m just quoting! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>HT: Steve Knight in the <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com" target="_blank">EV Weblog</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know you&#8217;re doing something worthwhile when all the right people are denouncing you.
A couple of weeks ago Herescope denounced Jay Gary, Diana Butler-Bass, Brian McLaren and myself, who will be hanging out at the World Future Society&#8217;s annual conference in D.C. We&#8217;ll be talking about &#8220;The Future of the Religious Right&#8221; and of global [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>You know you&#8217;re doing something worthwhile when all the right people are denouncing you.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago <a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2008/03/brian-mclaren-to-speak-at-world-future.html" target="_blank">Herescope denounced</a> <a href="http://www.jaygary.com/" target="_blank">Jay Gary</a>, <a href="http://www.dianabutlerbass.com/" target="_blank">Diana Butler-Bass</a>, <a href="http://everythingmustchange.org/" target="_blank">Brian McLaren</a> and myself, who will be hanging out at the <a href="http://www.wfs.org/" target="_blank">World Future Society</a>&#8217;s annual <a href="http://www.wfs.org/2008main.htm" target="_blank">conference</a> in D.C. We&#8217;ll be talking about &#8220;The Future of the Religious Right&#8221; and of global Christian faith in general, but the Heroscope team sees our work as promoting &#8220;new theologies and practices,&#8221; and &#8220;disparaging&#8230;of biblical prophecy.&#8221; Somehow, they suspect that all this winds up &#8220;creating an evolutionary convergence&#8221; where we all sing Kumbaya and venerate Gaia and Easter bunnies. <em>As if that&#8217;s a bad thing</em>!</p>
<p>Moving along: I&#8217;ve <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/" target="_blank">already told you</a> the kind of flack <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com" target="_blank"><em>The Shack</em></a> has been getting recently with the heresy-hunter websites. Well, as <a href="http://www.knightopia.com/journal/" target="_blank">Steve Knight</a> <a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/weblog/checking-into-the-shack" target="_blank">reports at Emergent Village</a>, now our &#8216;ol pal <a href="http://theresurgence.com/blog/2" target="_blank">Mark Driscoll</a> is in on the action too (you can watch his eight-minute YouTube rant on the E.V. link). Apparently he&#8217;s mighty uncomfortable with the sacred feminine, anthropomorphic depictions of God, and the idea of the Trinity (and thus, human relatedness) as mutually submissive rather than chain-of-command hierarchical. Sigh. Co-publisher Wayne Jacobsen <a href="http://lifestream.org/blog/?p=530" target="_blank">blogs his response</a> to the question &#8220;Is The Shack Heresy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course <a href="http://ptmin.org" target="_blank">Frank Viola</a> has had <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/coming-out-of-the-pagan-christianity-closet/" target="_blank">his share of critique</a> concerning <a href="http://paganchristianity.net" target="_blank">Pagan Christianity</a>&#8211;not all from shrill heresy hunters, but certainly enough of it. Well, Tim Dale over at <a href="http://www.karisproductions.com/" target="_blank">Karis Productions</a> produced this pretty funny spoof response:</p>
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<p>I have two observations about all the shelling and attack from this past month: Most of the people above are friends of mine, and for the most part, we can all laugh this off (in the cases of Frank and Team Shack, they can laugh all the way to the bank, as these books have really struck a chord with most readers and have become best-sellers)&#8211;even if we don&#8217;t know whether to laugh or cry sometimes. Others, though, are not so fortunate&#8211;heresy-hunters can cost people their livelihoods.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the privilege of knowing <a href="http://peterennsonline.com/" target="_blank">Peter Enns</a>, but his story has been <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&amp;q=%22Peter+Enns%22&amp;btnG=Search+Blogs" target="_blank">all over the blogosphere</a> recently. As <a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2008/03/westminster_the.html" target="_blank">Christianity Today reports</a>, Enns has been suspended from his teaching post at <a href="http://www.wts.edu/" target="_blank">Westminster Theological Seminary</a> for writing his 2005 book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801027306/104-6334384-0954326?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=zoecarnatecom-20&amp;linkCode=xm2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creativeASIN=0801027306" target="_blank">Inspiration and Incarnation: Evangelicals and the Problem of the Old Testament</a></em>, which takes a hard look at the messy, complex, and human aspects of Scripture from an evangelically-informed text criticism point of view. The Board of Trustees said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;That for the good of the Seminary (Faculty Manual II.4.C.4) Professor Peter Enns be suspended at the close of this school year, that is May 23, 2008 (Constitution Article III, Section 15), and that the Institutional Personnel Committee (IPC) recommend the appropriate process for the Board to consider whether Professor Enns should be terminated from his employment at the Seminary. Further that the IPC present their recommendations to the Board at its meeting in May 2008.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I understand that confessionally Christian schools are not as enamored with &#8220;freedom of thought at any cost&#8221; like their liberal arts counterparts; I <em>get</em> that evangelical higher learning institutions are trying to maintain a precarious balance between intellectual integrity and nurturing creedal faith commitments. All the same, Enns is not <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong" target="_blank">Bishop Spong</a> or something&#8211;he&#8217;s asking questions about Holy Writ that the rest of the Church (and world at large) have been asking since the 19th century. Like it or not, those who read and love the Bible are going to begin pondering its more troubling aspects with greater honesty and ideological flexibility.</p>
<p>Heresy-hunting is far from the world&#8217;s worst problem. (Next time, I&#8217;m going to blog about sex trafficking. Please try to refrain from throwing yourself off a building.) Nonetheless, it is a downer. As I <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2007/09/03/gutless-grace-girlieman-inspires-po-motivatorsstory-at-11/" target="_blank">mused last year</a>, sometimes I wonder why I even bother participating in this kind of &#8216;dialogue&#8217;&#8211;it all seems so insular. Sometimes I just want to throw my blog into the ocean (so to speak) and becoming a wandering hermit&#8230;with my wife and child, of course. But for now, I suppose I&#8217;ll leave everyone with an easily-rebuttable maxim: <em><strong>If you don&#8217;t have something kind to blog, don&#8217;t blog anything at all</strong></em>.</p>
<p>Related:</p>
<p>Mike Todd&#8217;s <a href="http://miketodd.typepad.com/waving_or_drowning/2008/03/the-shack---a-p.html" target="_blank">The Shack Film casting call</a></p>
<p>John MacArthur <a href="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/04/02/john-macarthur-to-launch-nothing-must-change-tour/" target="_blank">launches Nothing Must Change tour</a></p>
<p><a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/heretic-hunter/" target="_blank">Heretic Hunter</a> video</p>
<p>Brad Cummings and Wayne J have something constructive to say about all of this in their <a href="http://thegodjourney.com/wordpress/?p=186" target="_blank">Doctrine Police podcast</a> at The God Journey</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m pleased to be one of the judges in a literary competition this Pentecost season.
&#8220;We want your words. Jesus Manifesto is inviting you to submit an original article exploring the theme of Pentecost. In particular we want you to explore the theme of Pentecost in light of the world’s struggles. In the so-called “first” world, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><a href="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/04/01/stepping-into-the-wind-a-pentecost-inspired-writing-competition/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/violentwind3.gif" border="5" alt="violentwind3.gif" align="left" /></a>I&#8217;m pleased to be one of the judges in a literary competition this Pentecost season.</p>
<p>&#8220;We want your words. Jesus Manifesto is inviting you to submit an original article exploring the theme of Pentecost. In particular we want you to explore the theme of Pentecost in light of the world’s struggles. In the so-called “first” world, Christendom is fading into memory. In the so-called “third” world, new religious realities are emerging as Pentecostalism, Catholicism, and Islam compete for souls. Meanwhile, our world is growing increasingly diverse as immigration patterns and globalization intensify both the interconnectedness and the fractured-ness of our world. Ours is a world where urban poor in US cities carry cell phones while urban poor in other cities live amidst disease and intractability.</p>
<p><span style="color:#800000;">How can Pentecost provoke our imagination for the 21st Century? In 1000 words <em>or less</em>, we want you to stoke the embers of our imagination into flame. </span></p>
<p><strong>PRIZES: </strong>We’re awarding one <span style="color:#003300;"><strong>$50</strong></span> prize for each of our categories (doxis, praxis, culture, aesthetics, and satire) with a <span style="color:#003300;"><strong>$150</strong></span> grand prize for the overall best general submission. That’s <span style="color:#003300;"><strong>$400</strong></span> total in prizes.&#8221;</p>
<p>For more, <a href="http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/04/01/stepping-into-the-wind-a-pentecost-inspired-writing-competition/" target="_blank">check it out</a>.</p>
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<p>&#8230;a picture says a thousand words, yes?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the past couple of years I&#8217;ve been referring to myself in a cheeky-but-earnest way as an &#8220;opti-mystic friend of Jesus.&#8221; It&#8217;s my Religious Views affiliation on my Facebook and the tagline on this here blog. Every now and then I get people who ask me just what on earth this means (and they&#8217;re always [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>In the past couple of years I&#8217;ve been referring to myself in a cheeky-but-earnest way as an &#8220;opti-mystic friend of Jesus.&#8221; It&#8217;s my Religious Views affiliation on <a href="http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike_Morrell/507091133" target="_blank">my Facebook</a> and the tagline on this here blog. Every now and then I get people who ask me just what on earth this means (and they&#8217;re <em>always</em> Calvinists who ask, God love &#8216;em). Sometimes the question is loaded with hostility, other times curiosity. Either way, here&#8217;s my response:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a Christian&#8230;maybe. Or maybe <em>that</em> monicker has worn too deeply into our mental categories so that it&#8217;s shorthand for something meaningless to faithful and infidel alike.</p>
<p>So etymologically:</p>
<p><em>opti-mystic</em><br />
The first being <em>optimistic</em> as opposed to pessimistic; to me the glass of God&#8217;s grace is overflowing. Rooted in resurrection and fulfilled <a href="http://zoecarnate.com/#Eschatology" target="_blank">eschatological</a> hope.</p>
<p><em>mystic</em> being (for my purposes) one who lives by the life of Another; animated by Holy Spirit and a God who is within, around, and permeating all existence.</p>
<p><em>friend</em> listener, loyal, confidant. Willing to throw ones lot in with. Not a servant, but not someone who disregards service either.</p>
<p><em>of Jesus</em> What is there to say about this man, this anointed one? Palestinian revolutionary peasant. Harbinger of God&#8217;s Renewed Order. Emmanuel&#8211;God with us, the government resting upon his shoulders. State-sponsored torture victim. Second person of the Trinity. Nonviolent victor over the Powers that Be. Bearer of Father&#8217;s true disposition for humanity and the cosmos.</p>
<p><em>You dig?</em></p>
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		<title>Deeper, Safer, Richer: Emergence into Global Family</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So my friend Wayne Jacobsen of The God Journey podcast (and co-publisher at Windblown Media, which you might&#8217;ve heard of &#8217;cause of the runaway best-selling Trinitarian thriller The Shack) treated us with a visit yesterday, and Wayne is calling us to a fast from the &#8216;e-word&#8217; in order to reach our truest ideals. Here&#8217;s what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>So my friend <a href="http://www.lifestream.org/blog/" target="_blank">Wayne Jacobsen</a> of <a href="http://www.thegodjourney.com/" target="_blank">The God Journey</a> podcast (and co-publisher at <a href="http://www.windblownmedia.com/" target="_blank">Windblown Media</a>, which you might&#8217;ve heard of &#8217;cause of the runaway best-selling Trinitarian thriller <a href="http://theshackbook.com/" target="_blank">The Shack</a>) treated us with a visit yesterday, and Wayne is calling us to a fast from the &#8216;e-word&#8217; in order to reach our truest ideals. Here&#8217;s what he said:</p>
<p><font color="#003300">Mike, I think you missed my point in the questions I posed to you. There’s a difference, in my mind, between expressing your journey in ‘emerging ways’ and isolating that conversation as ‘Emergent.’ This term has moved way past describing emerging thinking on church life and has taken an identity as an organized group of people, identified spokespeople, and specific doctrine and agendas. Emergent is now a label that carries certain connotations and certainly some unfair accusations. </font></p>
<div class="comment-content"><font color="#003300">I don’t think you guys on the inside see that as clearly as folks do on the outside of it. It may not be what you wanted when you started this conversation, but what denomination ever began by a group of people trying to start one? I don’t think that’s evil, but unwittingly it creates an inside/outside environment and limits the conversation with others.</font><font color="#003300">My concern is with labels themselves. And you’re right, relational Christianity can just become another label, too, which is why I avoid using it when it takes on a life of its own. I just want my focus to be on Jesus, my fellowship to be broad among this incredibly diverse family, and to not help create or sustain movements that will over time just become another marginalized denomination to add to all the others.</font><font color="#003300">My hope is that some day we’ll just be a family, without needing to find any identity in labels. And we’ll get to have a deeper, richer conversation among the manifold expressions of church life that God gives breath to. My concern is only that labels limit that conversation rather than foster it. If you don’t believe me, just see how willing the ‘emergent folks’ would be to give up the term…</font><font color="#003300">Blessings, Bro!  Always love your stuff and the freedom to crash hearts and heads without risking the friendship.</font><font color="#003300">With love,</font></p>
<p><font color="#003300">Wayne</font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">Wayne! Oh, I&#8217;m glad you saw my <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/why-were-not-emergent-an-inviation-to-kevin-ted/" target="_blank">initial</a> <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/emergent-church-denomination-or-common-grammar/" target="_blank">posts</a>&#8211;I was going to alert you, but it&#8217;s been crazy moving around here (barely time to write the entries!). Thank you for taking the time to say all this; I think if anyone is, you&#8217;d be a helpful someone to offer some gentle corrective to &#8216;the conversation&#8217; and how it inhabits or inhibits relationships in God&#8217;s ever-expanding kingdom.</font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">Did I miss your point? Hmm. I may indeed have; I&#8217;m just not sure who you&#8217;re talking about. Besides maybe <a href="http://tonyj.net/" target="_blank">Tony Jones</a> (happy 40th) or <a href="http://dougpagitt.com/" target="_blank">Doug Pagitt</a>, can you name any <a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/" target="_blank">Emergent Village</a> folks? Most of &#8216;em or rather low-key, and Tony &amp; Doug are obnoxious in a <i>good </i>way. (did I just say that in print?) But point taken that emergent now carries a particular &#8216;taste&#8217; in many people&#8217;s mouths, and not a very pleasant one among her most vocal critics.</font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">You mention &#8216;emergent&#8217; as having an agenda, and I agree that there is one. The tragical irony of it all is that the agenda is fostering hospitable place for respectful dialogue regardless of differences, so that there <i>is</i> no &#8216;insider-outsider&#8217; conception. And I&#8217;d say that this worked beautifully until around 2005 when Christian and mainstream media began taking notice, alerting people who didn&#8217;t want to converse and indeed thought that this theological hospitality was a dangerous thing. In recent years our &#8216;enemies&#8217; have defined us too much, which might seriously jeopardize the value of the descriptor. </font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">As to your concern with labels themselves&#8211;I&#8217;m with you <i>almost</i> all the way on that one. Have you ever read Wendell Berry&#8217;s essay <a href="http://www.resurgence.org/resurgence/issues/berry198.htm">In Distrust of Movements</a> ? A great little piece; on distributed, incidentally, in 2004 I think by <a href="http://everythingmustchange.org/" target="_blank">Brian McLaren</a> when some people ceased referring to an emerging &#8216;conversation&#8217; and started referring to it as a &#8216;movement.&#8217; I think Mr. Berry&#8217;s points (and yours) are to be heeded.</font></p>
<p><font color="#000000"><i>And yet</i> when you say &#8220;I just want my focus to be on Jesus,&#8221; I have a split reaction. In my heart of hearts I say &#8220;Oh yes, me too&#8221;&#8211;and mean it, just as you mean it (and live it out quite compellingly). But the other part of me is reminded of the first century situation in Corinth, where the &#8220;Just Jesus&#8221; folks were every bit as labeled and movemented as any of the other factions&#8211;maybe even more so because they were blinded to it by a false assurance that they were &#8216;just about Jesus&#8217;! </font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">You know me, Wayne; I&#8217;ve been around the house church/simple church/<a href="http://zoecarnate.com/#relational" target="_blank">relational</a> Christianity/&#8217;outside the camp&#8217; scene for 10 years now&#8211;several years longer than my reflecting on postmodernity&#8217;s interactions with faith, the mood and probing that gradually became known as &#8216;emerging church.&#8217; Well, in the outside-the-camp land, folks blast what they call &#8220;the institutional church&#8221; or &#8220;the IC&#8221; with aplomb&#8211;&#8217;cause they <i>thank God</i> they&#8217;re not <i>that</i>. While there are some lovely people in this stream that I call dear friends to this very day, I can&#8217;t help but see their desire to be &#8220;just about Jesus and the pristine simplicity of Scripture and divine revelation” as a modernist impulse to escape history and retreat to some kind of ‘objectivity’ that is above the messy situatedness and contingency of life. But there is no escape. I have green eyes and am 6-foot-2 and kinda overweight and I was born in Georgia. I like sci-fi and comic books and have a wonderful wife and little girl. Amid my journey into God I was Baptist then Pentecostal then Presbyterian. These days I’m way more permeable spiritually but I can still accurately describe myself as practicing apprenticeship to Jesus in a house church community context, asking questions of God, friends and reality along similar lines as those involved in a conversation we see as indicative of a kind of emergence occurring on a global scale. Try as I might seek to transcend the particulars of my life, I cannot. We are all contextual people, historically situated in a particular time and place, with proclivities that can indeed be summed up from time to time. It grates on enlightenment Western individualism, but I’m not all that original. And so sociologists can sum us up, Wayne—you and me both. We may as well enjoy it. </font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">But I agree with your heart, brother, that we as friends and followers of the risen Jesus shouldn’t seek to sum up or size up, <i>ever</i>. Why eat from the Tree of Judgement (aka &#8216;Knowledge of Good and Evil&#8217;) when you can dine on <i>life itself</i>? I yearn to be more like a family with this great conglomeration we call the cosmos. I want deeper, richer, safer conversation—and not just conversation, dammit, but bold new creative, loving action! So if we need to be (I cannot help but snicker as I write this) <i>post-emergent</i> in order to evolve into this, then so be it. </font></p>
<p><font color="#000000">So let me take you up on your challenge, Wayne: No &#8220;e-word&#8221; for the next 30 days on this here blog (my own commented replies to this post notwithstanding). Last time I checked I don&#8217;t have a green &#8220;e&#8221; tattooed on my forehead, and I&#8217;d be quite fine forgoing it as a source of identity and comfort. Let’s see if the fast will last!<br />
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