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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;ve Been &#8216;Sliced! (or, when heresy-hunters attack)</title>
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	<description>an opti-mystic friend of Jesus in a post-conventional world</description>
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		<title>By: Simple Mann</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-2052</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a point to ponder, taken from the first chapter of G.K. Chesterton's book "Heretics":

&lt;i&gt;Nothing more strangely indicates an enormous and silent evil of modern society than the extraordinary use which is made nowadays of the word “orthodox.” In former days the heretic was proud of not being a heretic. It was the kingdoms of the world and the police and the judges who were heretics. He was orthodox. He had no pride in having rebelled against them; they had rebelled against him. The armies with their cruel security, the kings with their cold faces, the decorous processes of State, the reasonable processes of law — all these like sheep had gone astray. The man was proud of being orthodox, was proud of being right. If he stood alone in a howling wilderness he was more than a man; he was a church. He was the centre of the universe; it was round him that the stars swung. All the tortures torn out of forgotten hells could not make him admit that he was heretical. But a few modern phrases have made him boast of it. He says, with a conscious laugh, “I suppose I am very heretical,” and looks round for applause. The word “heresy” not only means no longer being wrong; it practically means being clear-headed and courageous. The word “orthodoxy” not only no longer means being right; it practically means being wrong. All this can mean one thing, and one thing only. It means that people care less for whether they are philosophically right. For obviously a man ought to confess himself crazy before he confesses himself heretical. The Bohemian, with a red tie, ought to pique himself on his orthodoxy. The dynamiter, laying a bomb, ought to feel that, whatever else he is, at least he is orthodox.&lt;/i&gt;

You can read the rest of this chapter on-line at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/chesterton/heretics.iv.html

Peace &#38; Blessings,
Simple Mann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a point to ponder, taken from the first chapter of G.K. Chesterton&#8217;s book &#8220;Heretics&#8221;:</p>
<p><i>Nothing more strangely indicates an enormous and silent evil of modern society than the extraordinary use which is made nowadays of the word “orthodox.” In former days the heretic was proud of not being a heretic. It was the kingdoms of the world and the police and the judges who were heretics. He was orthodox. He had no pride in having rebelled against them; they had rebelled against him. The armies with their cruel security, the kings with their cold faces, the decorous processes of State, the reasonable processes of law — all these like sheep had gone astray. The man was proud of being orthodox, was proud of being right. If he stood alone in a howling wilderness he was more than a man; he was a church. He was the centre of the universe; it was round him that the stars swung. All the tortures torn out of forgotten hells could not make him admit that he was heretical. But a few modern phrases have made him boast of it. He says, with a conscious laugh, “I suppose I am very heretical,” and looks round for applause. The word “heresy” not only means no longer being wrong; it practically means being clear-headed and courageous. The word “orthodoxy” not only no longer means being right; it practically means being wrong. All this can mean one thing, and one thing only. It means that people care less for whether they are philosophically right. For obviously a man ought to confess himself crazy before he confesses himself heretical. The Bohemian, with a red tie, ought to pique himself on his orthodoxy. The dynamiter, laying a bomb, ought to feel that, whatever else he is, at least he is orthodox.</i></p>
<p>You can read the rest of this chapter on-line at <a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/chesterton/heretics.iv.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccel.org/ccel/chesterton/heretics.iv.html</a></p>
<p>Peace &amp; Blessings,<br />
Simple Mann</p>
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		<title>By: Guest Blog - John Crowder Speaks! &#171; zoecarnate</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-1706</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Blog - John Crowder Speaks! &#171; zoecarnate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 05:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recognizing God when He is trying to come in). This spirit of fear is the bread and butter of the heresy hunter pages. The greatest discernment you will ever have is to be able to recognize God, not the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recognizing God when He is trying to come in). This spirit of fear is the bread and butter of the heresy hunter pages. The greatest discernment you will ever have is to be able to recognize God, not the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jeffgoins</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-1585</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffgoins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the Shack and unwittingly enjoyed it. Had I known it was heretical doctrine (as opposed to a good story), I would have guilted myself into loathing it. But alas, I'm stuck - I love that little book and am recommending it to my friends. I watched Mark Driscoll's (a man whom I respect and usually enjoy hearing preach) video on youtube denouncing the book as heretical and really thought that dude needs to lighten up. So an personification of the Trinity is making a graven image? Man, I think we're all in trouble. Again, I guess I missed the boat--I thought I could read a book without worshiping it. I must've been wrong. I'm disappointed to see so much lashing out and reactionary Christianity. The church is beating itself up here--it reminds me of that passage in Song of Songs in which the Beloved goes out in search of her beloved and, in the process, gets beat up by the guards who are supposed to protect the king.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the Shack and unwittingly enjoyed it. Had I known it was heretical doctrine (as opposed to a good story), I would have guilted myself into loathing it. But alas, I&#8217;m stuck - I love that little book and am recommending it to my friends. I watched Mark Driscoll&#8217;s (a man whom I respect and usually enjoy hearing preach) video on youtube denouncing the book as heretical and really thought that dude needs to lighten up. So an personification of the Trinity is making a graven image? Man, I think we&#8217;re all in trouble. Again, I guess I missed the boat&#8211;I thought I could read a book without worshiping it. I must&#8217;ve been wrong. I&#8217;m disappointed to see so much lashing out and reactionary Christianity. The church is beating itself up here&#8211;it reminds me of that passage in Song of Songs in which the Beloved goes out in search of her beloved and, in the process, gets beat up by the guards who are supposed to protect the king.</p>
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		<title>By: Heresy Hunters: I Get By With a Little Help from My Friends &#171; zoecarnate</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-1561</link>
		<dc:creator>Heresy Hunters: I Get By With a Little Help from My Friends &#171; zoecarnate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] along: I&#8217;ve already told you the kind of flack The Shack has been getting recently with the heresy-hunter websites. Well, as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Kim</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats! You made it when a radio talk show host identify you by name. I don't know how these people become voice of Christian Religion. I guess some people worship them. It's a truly sad world that the one talking and heard is not the trained theologian but a talk show hosts.

I hope you don't become a talk show host.. hehe.. 

We gotta let all our grandmas know them listening to radio show just as a hobby is creating monsters who will use the influence to their own agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats! You made it when a radio talk show host identify you by name. I don&#8217;t know how these people become voice of Christian Religion. I guess some people worship them. It&#8217;s a truly sad world that the one talking and heard is not the trained theologian but a talk show hosts.</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t become a talk show host.. hehe.. </p>
<p>We gotta let all our grandmas know them listening to radio show just as a hobby is creating monsters who will use the influence to their own agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: euphonos</title>
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		<dc:creator>euphonos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what cheers me so about all this is the exchange of ideas, the critical thinking - its beautiful :) it may be confrontational, difficult, challenging, threatening for some but it's great to see. 

And yet it needs to not become a god unto itself. Bottom line is love the Lord your God with all you've got and do the same for your neighbour, no matter what he/she believes. Do the best with what you have and when you know better, do better. Not a terribly intellectual interpretation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, I know :), but I'm sure someone out there has a much longer, complicated way of saying it! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what cheers me so about all this is the exchange of ideas, the critical thinking - its beautiful <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> it may be confrontational, difficult, challenging, threatening for some but it&#8217;s great to see. </p>
<p>And yet it needs to not become a god unto itself. Bottom line is love the Lord your God with all you&#8217;ve got and do the same for your neighbour, no matter what he/she believes. Do the best with what you have and when you know better, do better. Not a terribly intellectual interpretation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, I know :), but I&#8217;m sure someone out there has a much longer, complicated way of saying it! lol</p>
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		<title>By: Jeromy</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-1465</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeromy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Embrace your inner heretic” T-Shirt . . . Love it!  Where can I get one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Embrace your inner heretic” T-Shirt . . . Love it!  Where can I get one?</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Hogeweide</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-1464</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam Hogeweide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>today's thought leaders are labeled heretics. you're in good company. 

it cracks me up. in some circles to be labeled the H word would inspire fear and trembling. but in other circles, people practically erupt with applause and whoo-hoo's. It's like a badge of merit. "Oh, someone's calling me a heretic? Yes! This means I'm finally making waves!"

I saw someone at my local library wearing a t-shirt that said "Embrace your inner heretic." The shirt was covered with names of people who've been accused of heresy over the centuries, like Joan of Arc, Jesus, Galileo, Martin Luther, etc... guess we can add Mike to that!

Ken Silva gave me a shout-out last year due to an article I wrote for Off the Map about Christians being friends with witches. I was so dang proud for being "hereticized" that I emailed the link to a bunch of my friends.

Sigh.

I guess reverse psychology might be needed to really unnerve some of us. Maybe calling us irrelevant would be more effective at stopping us in our tracks. Then again, probably not. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>today&#8217;s thought leaders are labeled heretics. you&#8217;re in good company. </p>
<p>it cracks me up. in some circles to be labeled the H word would inspire fear and trembling. but in other circles, people practically erupt with applause and whoo-hoo&#8217;s. It&#8217;s like a badge of merit. &#8220;Oh, someone&#8217;s calling me a heretic? Yes! This means I&#8217;m finally making waves!&#8221;</p>
<p>I saw someone at my local library wearing a t-shirt that said &#8220;Embrace your inner heretic.&#8221; The shirt was covered with names of people who&#8217;ve been accused of heresy over the centuries, like Joan of Arc, Jesus, Galileo, Martin Luther, etc&#8230; guess we can add Mike to that!</p>
<p>Ken Silva gave me a shout-out last year due to an article I wrote for Off the Map about Christians being friends with witches. I was so dang proud for being &#8220;hereticized&#8221; that I emailed the link to a bunch of my friends.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>I guess reverse psychology might be needed to really unnerve some of us. Maybe calling us irrelevant would be more effective at stopping us in our tracks. Then again, probably not. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jeromy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeromy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From one "heretic" to another, I really wonder: If today's church had the legal power of capital punishment, would they use it on people they pronounced "heretics"?  And if so, who would decide?  Which group?  Which denomination? If an all out heretic war broke out, who would be left standing?  The Baptists and the Presbyterians would kill each other off, and on down the denominational divide we could go.  I suppose whoever had the most influence and power would decide, but I can't know for sure.  The whole thing gives me a headache.  Ugh.

I seriously cannot wait for all of us to see God face-to-face and realize we were—-to some degree—-ALL wrong.  Perhaps then we'll just look at each other, offer a sheepish grin while shrugging our shoulders, and join God in his newly created "heavens and earth".

Until then, I'll hold lightly to my 5% of absolute truth and try not to judge to harshly everyone else's 5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From one &#8220;heretic&#8221; to another, I really wonder: If today&#8217;s church had the legal power of capital punishment, would they use it on people they pronounced &#8220;heretics&#8221;?  And if so, who would decide?  Which group?  Which denomination? If an all out heretic war broke out, who would be left standing?  The Baptists and the Presbyterians would kill each other off, and on down the denominational divide we could go.  I suppose whoever had the most influence and power would decide, but I can&#8217;t know for sure.  The whole thing gives me a headache.  Ugh.</p>
<p>I seriously cannot wait for all of us to see God face-to-face and realize we were—-to some degree—-ALL wrong.  Perhaps then we&#8217;ll just look at each other, offer a sheepish grin while shrugging our shoulders, and join God in his newly created &#8220;heavens and earth&#8221;.</p>
<p>Until then, I&#8217;ll hold lightly to my 5% of absolute truth and try not to judge to harshly everyone else&#8217;s 5%.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/ive-been-sliced-or-when-heresy-hunters-attack/#comment-1455</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Explanation (footnote):

My wife (who was NOT a flower child or a Jesus People) put her name on the return address in my system, so it looks like this last comment is from her. 

It's not.

It's from me, Peter.

Now I have changed it in the system and cleared this up.

Blessings and love to all!
Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Explanation (footnote):</p>
<p>My wife (who was NOT a flower child or a Jesus People) put her name on the return address in my system, so it looks like this last comment is from her. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s from me, Peter.</p>
<p>Now I have changed it in the system and cleared this up.</p>
<p>Blessings and love to all!<br />
Peter</p>
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